The Quest to 17… Wins: The 2016-2017 Lakers Thread

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Well, at least Byron Scott isn't here anymore. There's that, I suppose.
 

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The one bright side lately has been Brandon Ingram. It looks like things are slowly starting to click for him. He looked pretty good against Miami, last week:

 

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I'm just increasingly afraid that they aren't that good. I think Ingram is going to be a really good player, but I'm not sure the rest of them are any more than decent players on a good NBA team. Best line I've seen recently was on the main Lakers board, "If you think Russell is really good, you must not be any older than 16".
 

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And another thing, if the league hierarchy thinks it's a good idea to keep the Lakers this bad (absolute horsecrap CBA), then I certainly hope they won't be surprised when they start to lose LA as a market.
 

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I'm just increasingly afraid that they aren't that good. I think Ingram is going to be a really good player, but I'm not sure the rest of them are any more than decent players on a good NBA team. Best line I've seen recently was on the main Lakers board, "If you think Russell is really good, you must not be any older than 16".
Yeah, I'm starting to get that feeling too. Russell & Randle are frustrating to watch most of the time, Clarkson has regressed, and Ingram can't shoot to save his life but agree he may be the best of the lot. This string of horrible play and losses coincided with Nance going down. I think he's the X factor for the bench unit. The Deng & Mozgov contracts were ridiculous signings. Neither is worth a damn compared to their contracts. Seems like cheaper replacements would provide the same amount of production they have. The worst part is that no one plays a lick of defense. Guess Byron can't be blamed for that. I really think it's time for Jeannie to relieve Mitch & Jim in the FO.
 

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Got to sit in a suite at the Toyota Center Friday night, compliments of the Houston Marathon Committee and Skechers shoes. The Rockets, who have been playing very well, were playing Memphis, but they started off the horrible Texas sports weekend. They led by as much as 15 in the first half but then their live/die by the 3 pointer style bit them in the butt. They were something like 3 for 24 from outside the stripe in the second half.
 

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Got to sit in a suite at the Toyota Center Friday night, compliments of the Houston Marathon Committee and Skechers shoes. The Rockets, who have been playing very well, were playing Memphis, but they started off the horrible Texas sports weekend. They led by as much as 15 in the first half but then their live/die by the 3 pointer style bit them in the butt. They were something like 3 for 24 from outside the stripe in the second half.
I get to hold my nose on Thursday night and visit a suite at Staples to see the Clippers against the T'Wolves. Good excuse to spend the evening with the kid.
 

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When you see a game like this one, the potential is easy to spot. Not having Deng around clogging up the court does help and lets Ingram get the needed playing time so that he can grow. I like Zubac's potential and hope Nance comes back without missing a beat. I still think this team should move Lou Williams, Nick Young and Clarkson for whatever draft picks they can get. Of course that would empty the backcourt, especially with Russell getting a knee. Still, like the Dozier on Minnesota talk, these three guys will not be on the team when the Lakers are ready to take that step into the top tier of the NBA Western Division so move them while they have value. Looking at a great draft in '17 and seeing as how we are not going to finish in the bottom two, we best get a first round pick or two in this draft.
 

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Unconceivable. (I know not really a word, but nothing else would explain today's "effort").
 

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Unconceivable. (I know not really a word, but nothing else would explain today's "effort").
I had forgot about today's game and then I saw the score at halftime and thought, good idea to miss this one. Not that the football game was any better. Probably would've been better off tagging along with the Brazilian to Crate & Barrel in Laval. She only bought two chairs and a new coffee table. She told me I would be pissed when I see the receipt. She was right.
 

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Holy shit! Both Kupchak and Jim Buss fired. Magic, now in charge. Gotta think tank mode is now in. Gotta go 0-for the rest of the season to get Lonzo Ball. I am sure Mozgov and Deng signings were high on the shit list for Magic. Nice knowing you, Williams, Young and anyone one else over 25 and possessing a pulse.
 

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Wow. It was obvious this was coming, but two days before the deadline?

Totally fine with Jim/Mitch being gone. Long overdue. The only problem is that the person taking over is one of the few people even less qualified.

If Magic can be somewhat of a figurehead, hire the Andrew Friedman of the NBA, it can work out. But I fear his ego won't allow that and he'll think he can evaluate talent because he's Magic Johnson. If that's the case, this team will be even more screwed.
 

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Looks like agent Rob Pelinka is the favorite as the next GM.
 

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One trade down and while getting Brewer's contract is not optimal, he can be dumped before Cousins and Paul George come on the market. I hope Pelinka can find some value for Nick Young. If he can move Deng and Mozgov without eating another equally bad set of contracts, I will be happy. But, unless he plans on dealing the Rocket pick into the mix and maybe one of Clarkson or Black, moving those two stiffs will be nigh onto impossible. I don't know if Brewer has any value other than defense, but I would not be shocked if his stay in LA is short. Right now, if I had to guess, 24 wins might be the max for these kids. Leadership went out the door the Houston and that is for the best. That number two pick is now looking very likely, save the bouncing balls.
 

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So now that the storm has kind of settled on this, some thoughts:

Letting Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak go was unquestionably the right move. The timing was freaking horrible, but I don't care what business you're in, you can't have four years like this and expect to keep your job. It just doesn't happen, and you can't keep crying David Stern for all the shit decisions that have happened since "Basketball Reasons". This isn't to say that Buss/Kupchak haven't done some things right, they have drafted well, but… well, that's about it.

They've had virtually no sense of direction. Over the past four years, they'll do things that signal that they might be rebuilding, but then chase unattainable FAs, or give Kobe $50 million because "we're the Lakers". This past offseason is literally the first offseason they've acknowledged a full rebuild, and even then, they'll give shit deals to Mozgov and Deng. From every standpoint, from basketball decisions to direction, it's been an utter failure.

I like Mitch Kupchak the person, but I've never been that crazy about him as a GM, and I think he's lived way too long off the Gasol trade. I think he's generally traded well, but I've never liked him with free agency. Since 2011, it seems like the game has passed him by and he's essentially become the Bill Stoneman of the NBA, never making any trades, and letting assets like Gasol depreciate and ultimately get nothing for them. Jim Buss is basically Tommy Callahan, Jr., but without his chicken wings moment.

So I'm fine with them leaving. I'm very leery about Magic, but so far, he is saying and doing all the right things, and building the right narrative, something Jim/Mitch never did. Rob Lowe is the wild card. It's a shrewd hire, and if he can come in and not be Magic's puppet, then perhaps this ship can be turned around. But the clock is officially on Jeanie/Magic, now.